Thank you again for your info, they really of great help! may i know other than the humble administrator garden, any other place of interest at Suzhou worth visiting? do you mean we do not need to stay a night at Suzhou? is there any bullet train service from Suzhou to Shanghai? What do they have in Bund at Shanghai? Where is the 'Song Qin Lin Guan' located at Shanghai? i heard that is the place to get 'pi xiu'. regards